Subject	I dont agree with your explanation if that is what it is.
Posted by	eriksu9 on August 17, 2007 at 3:32 PM
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In Reply To	Check your facts. posted by BradZ (FL) on August 17, 2007 at 03:11 PM
Message	This system was ahead of its time along with all the other characteristics of the "Z" car. Subaru is one out of how many cars that were offered in that era with 4 wheel steering? Subaru was not a sports car at that time imo. Name a sports car that had 4 wheel steering during that time besides Skyline for that is also Nissan. Not many is my point. Any option that gives 1 or 2 more degrees of steering radius on the rear of a sports car or on any car for that matter has to increase the performance of that car imo. Product differential and major design feature are two diff. adjectives. Uncomparable terminology imo. So, If what you are saying is correct, a couple extra degrees in steering on the rear end on the "Z" car or any car for that matter is not going to matter or be inconclusive and not help in steering variances? I cant agree with this logic. ****472 RWHP/461 TORQUE ON 110 RACE GAS @21 PSI ****438 RWHP ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS/STOCK MOTOR**** ****429 FT LBS/TQ******************************* Also own: 2001 Harley Davidson Custom Softail Deuce 1997 Ford Explorer XLT V8 AWD 1993 300ZX 2+2 NA 1991 Yamaha YZ250 1985 Ford Bronco 3" lift, 35" Tires Sold: 1986 Yamaha FJ1100 1987 Nissan 300zx na(Z31) 1979 280ZX 2+2 1972 MGB 1968 Pontiac Firebird 1972 Nissan 240Z, dual webber carbs, etc
Follow Ups	94+ HICAS upgrade? - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 11:54:15 08/17/07 Pretty sure you'd need a '94+ TT subframe, the NA bits for - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:03:42 08/17/07 Thanks for the insight, I guess I will pass - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:41:35 08/17/07 LOL, you consider HICAS a *major* design feature? :) (n/m) - Inzane 12:07:31 08/17/07 look at slalom speeds with and without it - LJZTT 12:17:04 08/17/07 hmm. Interesting. I think it's kind of half a dozen one way - MixManMash 12:26:10 08/17/07 i personally think its the driver who thinks - Alan(NJ) 12:29:53 08/17/07 2nd. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:30:53 08/17/07 3rd (n/m) - AntiHero 12:36:54 08/17/07 Very good point. It's like having a tool and not knowing - MixManMash 13:06:42 08/17/07 exactly. Guys also try to justify it by saying saves weight - Alan(NJ) 13:12:43 08/17/07 And you're basing your entire argument on a NISSAN produced - Inzane 13:19:42 08/17/07 no im not. - Alan(NJ) 13:28:07 08/17/07 You do realise your TT has different spring rates, different - Inzane 13:31:57 08/17/07 I'd be willing to bet over half the people logged in - LJZTT 15:22:04 08/17/07 And now you think the oem Z32 suspension is "significantly - Inzane 22:59:05 08/17/07 No data indicates differently. Do you have two new examples - LJZTT 17:18:09 08/18/07 TT also has different springs and sways - aliaZ 13:32:17 08/17/07 i know that (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:34:44 08/17/07 then why compare your NA to your TT? - aliaZ 13:42:00 08/17/07 sorry. i'll go sit in the corner for 5 minutes (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:46:45 08/17/07 no worries (n/m) - aliaZ 14:07:04 08/17/07 Or finding a tool in your toolbox that you don't NEED but - Inzane 13:21:30 08/17/07 Like I said it's 50% one way, half a dozen the other. - MixManMash 14:12:25 08/17/07 This is driving me crazy!! - na300zx (OH) 14:42:19 08/17/07 actually.... - LJZTT 15:26:30 08/17/07 Oh wow. Sorry to have upset you so much over something so - MixManMash 12:43:26 08/18/07 That quote wasn't directed at you. I was just giving an - na300zx (OH) 15:02:59 08/18/07 No worries. (n/m) - MixManMash 11:11:13 08/19/07 yep (n/m) - ZLover4Life 00:39:01 08/18/07 the only problem is that the other half have nothing to - LJZTT 16:18:09 08/17/07 A simple speed test through a serpentine doesn't paint the - Inzane 13:00:02 08/17/07 It was developed via testing at Nurbergring, not a simple - Technomancer 14:53:51 08/17/07 Hey! We've had this conversation before! - Technomancer 14:59:17 08/17/07 Put the drugs down. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:00:05 08/17/07 I know you like to follow me around - Technomancer 17:12:55 08/17/07 Over your head a usual. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:45:22 08/18/07 Yes, and you know what? I checked the reference source you - Inzane 22:55:49 08/17/07 nope but you add flatout grip and you have quite a barometer - LJZTT 16:19:53 08/17/07 check it out - Alan(NJ) 12:43:32 08/17/07 Johnny on the spot with the video! Beat me by 1 minute - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:47:50 08/17/07 slow day at work - Alan(NJ) 12:50:10 08/17/07 I'm ignorant? I didn't say it was a "bad feature". Can - Inzane 13:17:41 08/17/07 i didnt call any names out or direct it to anyone - Alan(NJ) 13:19:17 08/17/07 i would consider the Zs suspension - Alan(NJ) 13:22:04 08/17/07 I HAVE watched the video, more than once. The nice CAD - Inzane 13:28:23 08/17/07 i'm sure faster laps is extremely minimal - Alan(NJ) 13:33:40 08/17/07 2nd. (n/m) - MixManMash 14:14:56 08/17/07 "HICAS" is a major design feature. - eriksu9 14:52:29 08/17/07 and if it were so dangerous - Alan(NJ) 15:02:08 08/17/07 Check your facts. - BradZ (FL) 15:11:37 08/17/07 the preludes did not operate at the same speeds as the Z (n/m) - LJZTT 15:28:19 08/17/07 I realize that... - BradZ (FL) 15:40:40 08/17/07 at the speeds the Z's operated, yes it was - LJZTT 15:56:36 08/17/07 I never used the term "gimmick," FWIW. - BradZ (FL) 16:00:39 08/17/07 I know, I was using that term. - LJZTT 16:15:50 08/17/07 Sure, it gives it an edge. - BradZ (FL) 16:38:44 08/17/07 Maybe Sport Compact Car can tell you - LJZTT 17:04:40 08/17/07 I dont agree with your explanation if that is what it is. - eriksu9 15:32:34 08/17/07 **Honda not Subaru.*** :) (n/m) - eriksu9 15:34:38 08/17/07 How many other cars? - BradZ (FL) 15:54:12 08/17/07 80's clothes yes. 80's technology, no... :) (n/m) - eriksu9 15:59:44 08/17/07 I would love to see you produce 3 1990cars, say....within 2X - LJZTT 16:07:49 08/17/07 "Irrational Z-worship," that's a great term. - BradZ (FL) 16:32:27 08/17/07 Here I was thinking the debate was whether or not it was a - LJZTT 17:12:55 08/17/07 There's much more to cars than numbers. - BradZ (FL) 17:23:11 08/17/07 of course, there is, but we aren't talking about that - LJZTT 17:35:49 08/17/07 Numbers are only as good as their driver. Anything - Guapo 17:27:02 08/17/07 of course but that has nothing to do with it being a - LJZTT 17:43:27 08/17/07 plus I don't think anyone means to say that someone is - LJZTT 18:01:51 08/17/07 The limit the car has is only what the driver is able to get - Guapo 19:10:46 08/17/07 I have to disagree, any car is only capable of so much - LJZTT 19:49:52 08/17/07 Nope, a car can only go as fast as it's pilot can take it. - Guapo 20:03:49 08/17/07 then nissan wastes their time engineering these cars at all - LJZTT 20:12:51 08/17/07 Excellent. When you've been beaten, go to hyperbole. I win. (n/m) - Guapo 20:16:09 08/17/07 I just agreed with you...oops - LJZTT 20:22:30 08/17/07 You've been proven wrong, yet you will go on forever - Guapo 20:26:26 08/17/07 Re: You've been proven wrong, yet you will go on forever - LJZTT 17:13:43 08/18/07 right (n/m) - Guapo 19:36:40 08/18/07 lol (n/m) - Kenny 20:48:51 08/18/07 None of those cars had systems as advanced as Super HICAS - ZLover4Life 00:38:10 08/18/07 3kGT had it, albeit a year later, I dunno how it was set up - LJZTT 15:59:34 08/17/07 Re: 3kGT had it, albeit a year later, I dunno how it was set up - ZLover4Life 00:36:37 08/18/07 NOTHING could touch it's handling in 1990, F40 included - LJZTT 15:53:52 08/17/07 Shrug. My car outhandles a stock TT. (n/m) - Guapo 16:32:59 08/17/07 ding. (n/m) - BradZ (FL) 16:42:10 08/17/07 cheater (n/m) - LJZTT 17:16:12 08/17/07 and its always nice to make a statement - Alan(NJ) 12:51:16 08/17/07 Nissans own 1989 (1988?) debut video says it is :) (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:44:46 08/17/07 damn engineers ... (n/m) - Guapo 12:09:52 08/17/07 I don't know, but I think wiring it up would be way too hard - Aqualung 12:10:38 08/17/07 More trouble than its worth (n/m) - EricTTZ 13:09:32 08/17/07 HICAS sucks (n/m) - Guapo 13:22:53 08/17/07 have you ever had it (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 13:25:10 08/17/07 I have driven with it. (n/m) - Guapo 13:26:33 08/17/07 Having driven with HICAS & without - Adam (NoVA) 14:13:49 08/17/07 which do u prefer (dont be bias) (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 14:16:36 08/17/07 like I said, not enough to notice (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 14:23:56 08/17/07 If you are using it on a roadcourse, you are doing something - LJZTT 15:25:07 08/17/07 HiCAS sucks a snow leopards d with heinz tomato ketchup (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:14:07 08/17/07 Too complex/heavy for the return, replace w/ NA adj toe rods (n/m) - 300zx90 (CO) 15:51:45 08/17/07
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